http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/ en Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:58:52 GMT vBulletin 60 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/profileblue/misc/rss.jpg http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/ http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4062&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:17:49 GMT http://media.causes.com/890491?m=fd9523ec&s=cause

I posted this on causes on face book its a big read on a huge dogfighting bust
hopefully the fighters will stop matching dogs after a few more of these busts ]]> Pitbull Discussion Gxkon http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4062 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4035&goto=newpost Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:01:58 GMT I got a new book called feeding your dog for life, the real facts about proper nutrition. haven't read much but so far im liking it. Anyone else read any good books as of late? ]]> Pitbull Discussion wheezie wayne http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4035 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4027&goto=newpost Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:28:10 GMT THis may be the wrong place for this but I cant seem to find any place else. I have permission to cross post, and this is just coppied and pasted.... THis may be the wrong place for this but I cant seem to find any place else. I have permission to cross post, and this is just coppied and pasted. This is NO my dog.


Pitt Rescues around central oregon? my dad can no longer handle his dog and is homeless because of it.

the dog is 2 almost 3 yr old non nuetured pit mix. he is now sexually mature and the problems have came from that , un under socialized also.

He has redirected onto a person before when being seperted in a dog fight. he has also killed cats. i advised my dad to take him to the vet and have him put down , but he has doesnot want NOLA to suffer because he is a bad pitbull parent. that and he said he is to broke.

i begged him to not get this dog 2 years ago but he wouldn't listen , now he is screwed living in a car that is about to be repossed with a dog he loves and cant handle.


i think he belongs in a single dog house with someone who is not around kids.
but you know so does so many other ones.
i dont know what to do now except try and find a rescue or try to gather together some money for a vet visit to have him out down.

so any ideas on a rescue . all i have googled say they are not taking owner surrenders right now.

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amazinglucille@gmail.com ]]> Pitbull Discussion Velocity http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4027 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4017&goto=newpost Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:29:18 GMT Despite many of the changing attitudes toward pit bulls, they still take a beating in the headlines. Whether they're actually involved in an "attack," or the reporter can just make it sound like they were, "vicious pit bull" stories are used to sell papers. But for those of us who know and love these dogs for the loyal clowns they are, it's always nice to see a story where the pit bull is the hero.

Last Wednesday, Marie Wells was attacked by her boyfriend in their apartment. Princess, her five-year-old pit bull, intervened in the argument, taking the blows from the 12-inch serrated knife. "She did not attack him," Wells said. "She was in front of me trying to protect me."

The boyfriend has been charged with assault and battery, violating a restraining order and, appropriately, animal cruelty.

Princess ended up with three major stab wounds that nearly went down to the bone, including a six-inch laceration. She lost a lot of blood, but after several surgeries and a prescription for pain meds, she's on the mend. Thanks to Princess, Marie Wells was unharmed.

Earlier this month, another pit bull made headlines for saving a life. Daddy was a former fighting dog who had been dumped at a shelter in California. He was rescued last spring by Angel Parisa, who began to nurse him back to health and look for a forever home for him.

A couple weeks ago, when Parisa was walking Daddy, he started pulling her down a side street. It was uncharacteristic for the normally well-behaved boy, but soon Parisa noticed a woman in distress. The stranger had a heart condition and was on the brink of collapse. Thanks to Daddy, Parisa was able to help the woman get her medication and recover.

These positive pit bull moments aren't as rare as you may think if you only read the sensationalist headlines. David S. Greene over at Pet Connection recently posted a nice breakdown of the media bias against pit bulls. But if you pay attention, you'll find pit bull heroes all over the place — alerting their families to fire, protecting complete strangers, providing comfort as therapy dogs, saving the neighbor's chihuahua from a coyote, acting as service dogs, or a child's best friend ... The heroic pit bull stories are out there, and whether you find them in your local paper or your local neighborhood, these are the ones you should share to honor these deserving dogs.

http://animals.change.org/blog/view/...ro_of_the_week ]]> Pitbull Discussion Michele http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4017 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4014&goto=newpost Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:46:58 GMT DNA Dog Testing: More Questions than Answers Opinion by madeline bernstein spcaLA president (3 Hours Ago) in Society / Animal Rights The latest... DNA Dog Testing: More Questions than Answers
Opinion by madeline bernstein spcaLA president
(3 Hours Ago) in Society / Animal Rights

The latest trend I am seeing involves DNA testing for dogs. Some offer home kits so the curious can see what their dog really is. Some suggest that knowing the prominent breed in a pet will help preempt behavior issues with proactive training techniques. Others suggest it can be a panacea in some legal matters. I say before blithely jumping in, selling home kits, creating databases, inviting DNA booths to dog walk festivals, and participating in a collective knee jerk response of blind acceptance - we think about the intended results, the unintended consequences, the ethics involved and what the criteria for best practices in the usage of this information should be.

Consider these questions: Should shelters allow adopters to delay an adoption pending a DNA test result? Should shelters be liable if an adopter discovers an undesirable breed in the genetic analysis home kit. Should they be liable if that dog bites a third party and a DNA test was not done? These tests cost $70.00 and above. Should the cost be borne by the shelter or the adopter? Will steeper costs affect adoptions? What percentage of pit bull in such a genetic analysis is enough to violate a ban? Can a city with a ban or spay/neuter mandate of certain breeds force pet owners to test and share results? Can homeowner's insurance providers require tests? Should organizations like the American Kennel Club be liable if the purchased pet isn't as "pedigree" as they represented? Should they provide the DNA results before the buyer does? What is pure, genetically speaking? Will these "new" undesirable dogs be euthanized?

The ASPCA created a DNA database from samples taken from dogs found at a dog fight. They not only collected samples from the fighting dogs, but also pets, guard dogs and any other dog found at the location. The stated purpose of such a canine codis is to strengthen dog fighting prosecutions.

Really? Consider these questions: How does it do that? Since they collected samples of non fighting dogs as well as fighting dogs, the database is already tainted and unreliable, unless being near a fighting dog is somehow significant. What about the siblings of fighting dogs that don't fight. What would a codis hit mean to a potential adopter? What would it mean to an adopter who takes and rehabilitates such a dog? Can this evidence be admitted in court yet? Who will lay the proper legal foundation that having a dog with a codis hit is actually a fighting dog, and that the owner of the dog is actually a fighter. What about a rehabilitated Michael Vick fighting dog who bites a burglar? Is that relevant to the bite circumstances? Is that prima facie proof the dog is vicious? Is it a presumption that the human companion burglary victim is a dog fighter? What does it prove if law enforcement raids a home for stolen high definition televisions and seizes and removes a dog incident to the arrest whose DNA turns up in this database?

The ASPCA could be responsible for the euthanasia of dogs in and related to dogs in the database if down the line people could check adoptions against this. A dog merely from the same litter or an innocent dog at the scene that was not involved in the dog fight could scare a family away. In fact, could shelters with law enforcement personnel be required to check animals against this list or be liable for not checking should a mishap occur? What inferences, legal or otherwise could be made against the human companions of these "list dogs"?

Finally, as animals are legally property, the usual cast of privacy advocates is silent. But, remember, the humans associated with these animals do have rights and should not ignore or passively accede to this trend.

This is piece is a call to action - to think this through. Good science can lead to bad consequences if the moral, ethical and legal uses are not established first. As far as I know, science has not yet figured out how to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/dna-d...s-than-answers ]]> Pitbull Discussion 3MTA3 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4014 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4005&goto=newpost Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:38:15 GMT All my wife did was ask her to point out the Chinaman/Bolio dogs in her blue dogs pedigree. Maybe someone on here could show it to us. ... All my wife did was ask her to point out the Chinaman/Bolio dogs in her blue dogs pedigree. Maybe someone on here could show it to us.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...?dog_id=188334 ]]> Pitbull Discussion Howardpit1 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4005 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4000&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:20:50 GMT have a dog that was in a yard accident about 6 months ago, his back left leg came up really lame the day after the accident to the point that he was... have a dog that was in a yard accident about 6 months ago, his back left leg came up really lame the day after the accident to the point that he was falling down on slipper floors and knucling up his foot on the bad leg. i took him to the vet and they said it was either a cruciate ligament or a pinched sciatic never, they thought it was more a pinched nerve than a torn ligament. they suggested i continue crate resting him. after crate resting him for quite some time i ended up taking him to a chiropractor/ acupuncture, three separate occasions. it seemed to help some. It seems as if the recovery of his leg is at a stand still and is not getting any better, i give him a good rub down and stretch him 2 - 3 time a day. when he is trotting you can not notice at all but when he walks he throws the leg out to the side. It is much more noticeable if he has been running around.

has anyone had anything similar to this? any suggestions on what i should do? i had a friend suggest going somewhere that has a sonaphone but i have not found anyone that will do it with a dog. ]]> Pitbull Discussion wheezie wayne http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4000 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3997&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:02:55 GMT Breed specific legislation is unenforceable, ineffective, absurd, and more about lazy legislators, enforcement agents, and insurance companies than... Breed specific legislation is unenforceable, ineffective, absurd, and more about lazy legislators, enforcement agents, and insurance companies than public safety. It is most seen in attempts to ban pit bulls from the world, or most notably in Denver where they are banned. The fact that pit bulls are not a breed at all seems irrelevant.

The fact that many dogs are mutts and therefore cannot be identified as a specific breed at all seems extraneous. The fact that Chihuahuas and Cocker Spaniels are at the top of the most likely to bite list, while pit bulls are often not even on the list, seems like unnecessary information. And, the fact that it is human criminals that train many breeds of dogs to be their accomplices is a fact that is completely ignored. The result - persecution of the pit bull, prosecution of responsible human companions, and preposterous consequences.

For example - in Denver, a loyal family pet is taken away and euthanized just for appearing to be a pit bull whereas any other dog is entitled to a hearing if their behavior was problematic. Nervous Nellies and "not in my backyarders" become consumed with fear if they learn that a neighbor has a pit bull. Ignorant insurance companies, suddenly concerned for the safety of its customers pile on and refuse to provide homeowners insurance policies for those with these dogs. The list goes on.

Lawmakers and enforcement personnel look for the easiest way to cope which means the use of a number, a label, a color or a one size fits all mandate in order to reduce the need for critical thinking, fact finding and imagination. It is essentially stereotyping and profiling in the worst way.

As expected they spend most of their time in court defending the indefensible - the fact - it is not a pit bull, and the principle - too broad to be constitutional. Think about this - man teaches dog to bite everyone. The dog does what he/she was taught. All dogs that look like that dog are banned!

Instead of discriminating be discerning. All dogs can bite. All dogs can be gentle. Any breed can be a genetic lemon, and any breed can be the best dog ever. Mean people who try to make their dogs vicious (all breeds) are the ones who should be prosecuted. And, legislators, enforcement personnel and insurance companies should be better than this.

Finally, the state of California prohibits breed specific legislation UNLESS it is to mandate that specific breeds must be spay or neutered. All of the above applies. It doesn't work and it doesn't address the issues of responsible pet ownership and pet overpopulation. It's a slower way to wipe out a specific breed.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/don-t...i-m-a-pit-bull ]]> Pitbull Discussion Michele http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3997 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3995&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:45:45 GMT Can anybody that has dogs registered with ADBA post litters in their classified section? I ask cause I'm looking it over and there is a hell of alot of litters right now listed. ]]> Pitbull Discussion sw_df27 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3995 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3933&goto=newpost Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:46:24 GMT I read Tom Graves' rant against pit bulls in the Commercial Appeal Sunday morning and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Not about the dogs, exactly. But about Graves.

The whole thing is strange — from Graves' made-up facts about pit bulls to his strange ideas about breed purity. And then there's the way in which he talks about pit bulls so obsessively, like they're monsters, dragons in need of slaying. But most of all, I keep thinking about how he's almost saying something important — or more to the point, that he keeps tripping over something important, but is so fixated on pit bulls he can't even see that what he's writing suggests a more complicated truth.

There's a lot about the piece that's just internally inconsistent. You can't suggest that the problem of pit bulls is a new one, belonging somehow to "this generation," and then complain in the next sentence about a mauling that occurred 20 years ago. Is this a new problem or not?

But that's a simple enough mistake. I sometimes think of things that happened when I was 16 as if they were recent. I'm more concerned about the parts that are bizarrely inconsistent internally.

On the one hand, Graves says, "The average pit bull you see on the streets of Memphis is a mongrel product of interbreeding since the early 20th century between bull dogs and a variety of terrier types." Got that? "A mongrel product of interbreeding." Then, on the other hand, he says, "As I've described, pit bulls are genetically unlike other dogs and are far more dangerous than all but a few other breeds."

Well, you can't have it both ways. Either a dog is a product of 100 years of breeding with other types of dogs, or it's a dog genetically unlike other dogs. Which is it?

There's a lot he appears to be just making up out of whole cloth. "Their crocodile-like jaws can easily crush a leg bone, a skull or a person's neck. Their teeth are long and sharp enough to fillet elephant hide, much less a human's." I don't know if this means Graves has never seen a crocodile before or a pit bull, but it's got to be one or the other. And an elephant's skin is an inch thick. A pit bull doesn't actually have teeth long enough to fillet elephant hide. Again, if Graves has ever actually seen a pit bull, I think he'd know this.

But here's what I keep thinking about. A pit bull is just a dog. And like any other dog, a pit bull is as good or as bad as the person who puts time into it makes it.

But doesn't Graves make it sound like a bad-ass monster?

That's what I've been thinking about. The pit bull "problem," such as it is, is three-fold. They may be equal parts, they may not be. I tend to think that they are not, that the dog is a part of the problem, but a small part. After all, a pit bull, for better and for worse, is just a 50-pound terrier. Every quality that your cute little terrier has — yes, the one that nips at the neighbors or takes after the neighbor's dogs or snuggles with you on the couch — the pit bull has as well, but at a size that can do real damage. The same instincts that make rat terriers great rat killers or fox terriers great at cornering a fox are the same instincts a pit bull has brought to bear on larger targets.

But just as most fox terriers go their whole lives without ever hunting and bringing down a fox, or how most rat-terrier owners have never seen their terrier kill a rat, most pit bull owners never see their dog take down another dog (or a wild boar, another use they're put to in Tennessee).

Instinct isn't everything. Dogs are flexible and eager to please, which makes them trainable and teachable.

Pit bulls are not monsters.

But when Graves talks about them like they are, doesn't it kind of make you want one? I mean, just for a second, don't you feel the tug of that fantasy — how it would make you, by association, a bad-ass, if you could own that bad-ass dog? You don't have to admit out loud that you had that fleeting thought.

The important thing, I think, is to recognize that it's there in order to recognize how diatribes like Graves' work. He claims to be writing against the dogs because they're so dangerous, but he's making them sound appealing by making them sound so bad-ass and unique.

And then, by reinforcing the idea that they're so dangerous and their behavior is so unpredictable and that all human interventions to the contrary are destined to fail, he's basically reinforcing the belief that there's no sense in bothering to train them. After all, they're untrainable monsters.

If that doesn't help to continue to set up the situations he rails against, I honestly don't know what does.

But the third part of the problem — and probably the largest — is that, by and large, our pit bull problem is a symptom of a deep crisis of masculinity. There's something deeply wrong with a kind of masculinity that proves itself by raising up an animal for the purpose of using it to torture and kill other animals while it is in the process of being slowly tortured and killed itself.

What we want in healthy masculinity is for men to protect things that are weaker, to guide their own aggression into positive results for the community and to guide the aggression of the beings in their care into positive outcomes.

How a man treats his dogs tells you a lot about how he understands himself and how he understands his relationship to the community. The best possible thing you can say about dog fighters is that, at some level, they see themselves as being in the same boat as the dogs — good only for fighting and fucking and dying when they're no good for either. And if that's the best thing you can say, that's a tragedy.

But here's the truth. Until you fix what is wrong with the people who own and breed pit bulls for fighting, it doesn't matter what you do to the dogs. Ban the dogs, ban guns, ban "bling," ban baggy pants. Ban everything and ban some more.

And we are still going to have a lot of men in our state who are violently disaffected from society.

Are we ever going to start working on that problem? Or do we just consider them to be — well, untrainable monsters?


http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/a...m-of-pit-bulls ]]> Pitbull Discussion Michele http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3933 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3924&goto=newpost Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:34:49 GMT hand walking has been highly stressed as one, if no THE most important aspect when conditioning a dog. what are, (if any) are the advantages to hand... hand walking has been highly stressed as one, if no THE most important aspect when conditioning a dog. what are, (if any) are the advantages to hand walking a a dog so many miles instead of biking the dog or using a jenny. i would think biking the dog would get the cardio up since you can maintain a faster pace for a much longer period of time.

there are many keeps that have hand walking as the pinnacle of the keep. so much so that i don't see how it is possible for the working man to put that many hrs into walking the dog. ]]> Pitbull Discussion wheezie wayne http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3924 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3910&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:22:26 GMT Does anyone else have this brand micro chip. I ask because for the last 4 years I have been paying a yearly fee for thier full service membership and... Does anyone else have this brand micro chip. I ask because for the last 4 years I have been paying a yearly fee for thier full service membership and it has now went up in cost and they started auto charging my credit card for it. but my question is do I have to have this full service crap in order for the chip to still work and be scanned. I emailed home again but haven't got a reply yet. it is costing quite a bit of money now with as many dogs as we have I will continue to pay for it if I absolutly have too but would rather not. ]]> Pitbull Discussion sw_df27 http://mypitbullpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3910