some opinions on this breeding

[topgunpits]

falins ace/ace hemi barracuda to falins muffin
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=201778

[NATE]

why are you breeding not like you need new stock ? Its not a bad breeding but you don't want to end up down the road with a bunch dogs all ten 12 years old thats how you end up feeding 30 pluss best advise EDDIE ever gave me and i passing it on to you take your time my young friend .

[topgunpits]

its not that i need new stock i just want a pup off hemi before he gets to old or something happends to him know what i mean an not goin to do it for about a year

[Dansgrizz]

I think your too young to have done so many breedings, He aint the last great dog youll ever own and its not gonna kill you NOT to breed the dog. Its ridiculous how youve handled your dogs so far with the accidental breedings and i think you should take a step back for a couple years and work your head out of your ass. Good Luck.

[NATE]

I think your too young to have done so many breedings, He aint the last great dog youll ever own and its not gonna kill you NOT to breed the dog. Its ridiculous how youve handled your dogs so far with the accidental breedings and i think you should take a step back for a couple years and work your head out of your ass. Good Luck.

UMMM wow dan that is just rude idk what to say for once

[topgunpits]

hey dan why dont you come to a show an lets see who has the better dogs here ok let ur dog speak for you mav has notch bye at least 10lbs so lets see you an ur 2 dogs

[topgunpits]

an one more thing DAN like i told nate it will be a year or more be for i do the breeding....

[...Sydney...]

I personally don't care if you decide to breed or not I just wanted to mention the option of collecting and freezing your dogs sperm if it was something you were very concerned about...it's an option

[OldfortKennels]

Im with Nate......

[topgunpits]

i mean im not goin to doin for a year or to if i do it i was just lookin for some opinions an surprise dan goes an acts like a smart ass but from what i see he is good at that acts like he knows more than he does lol

[OldfortKennels]

I do agree its alot of breeding so soon, if you mean to do it in a year, it would be wise to state that in the begining. I think that is something that can happen to someone new and eager and then one day you are looking at a yard full of dogs going how did this happen. I also know you all have the means to take care of them and they are your priority.

Dan is good at reading books and googleing research on what other dogmen of the past have done, aside from that he has done little. He may know alot about the history of the breed, old gamedogs and tales but practical experience?????? He can quote you the stats on a gamedog and its matches, give you links to good dog foods and pie charts, find a good article on genetics, repeat information on weight pull techinques, But what can he tell you from experience????? Not much, what does he have to show for his wealth of knowledge......a UKC Title?????

[the flea]

O.K. now that we have stated the obvious (Dan is a smart ass internet dog man ) lets get back to the question at hand. I think 56.25% Bam Bam is as tight as i would wont to go simply because imho. if you go any tighter you are at a risk of a heath issue like the last to tight bred Bam Bam breedings done jmo. I also think the the little bit of S.T. blood in there will be enough of a out to help prevent any health problems and still keep some vinegar in the litter. but this is just my opp. the bottom line is they're your dogs so it's your call you should only breed to better your own stock or to replace your own stock not to impress John Q. Public

[chris mercer]

I think we have all had a dog we really liked and wanted another one as close to it as you can get. Unfortunately some times it's just a crap shoot. I won't tell you to take it from me as I sure didn't take this advice from other wiser sages. If you like the dog, breed it. But do you have suitable homes for the rest? What are your goals and are the folks who get these pups going to give them the best chances because they know how? Be prepared to be a fair evaluator. Could you cull them if need be? Better dead than a sorry dog. If you could afford it Sydneys advice to freeze some semen could be cheap in the long run, especially if you find a great bitch. I wish you the best.

Chris Mercer

[ppits]

im not high on breeding alot, but you never know how long a dog will be here and if you can breed do it when you can, but make sure you have suitable homes for what you dont want, and i lost a good dog recently and he was never bred and would have liked to see what he could produce, thought about frozen semen but alot of money if you only use 1 time cause the dog was great at what he did but couldnt produce great, so it basically whatever feels right at the time. me personally it might be ok breeding but im not a fan of muffin and would breed to a better bitch just mho.

[sw_df27]

Damn I leave on a friday come back monday and I always miss out on these threads anyhow


I'm not a breeder and never have been but all I can say is atleast your asking questions before you do it and it seems to me like you have a few damn good knowledgeable people that have been in this breed awhile giving you good advice. It also seems to me that you have a pretty decent head on your shoulders plus you never know in a years time you may change your mind ;)

Gonna have to agree with nate too I have seen alot of people wake up one day and look at their yards like damn how the hell did I let it get this out of control either way it's your yard your responsibility your gonna be the one feeding and caring for them opinions are always nice to ask for but in the end it's all you and what you want.

[Hard Mouth Kennels]

man ..please dont breed anymore ...untill you know wtf u r doing !!! leave it up to us real dogmen !

[topgunpits]

man ..please dont breed anymore ...untill you know wtf u r doing !!! leave it up to us real dogmen !

excuse man say why dont you show up to a show with your best dog or dogs an put them on the track an we will see who knows what they are doing you up for it LOL ha :D:p

[bruce]

man ..please dont breed anymore ...untill you know wtf u r doing !!! leave it up to us real dogmen !

Things you got look like round ass curs to me ;)

[PullDawgPits]

excuse man say why dont you show up to a show with your best dog or dogs an put them on the track an we will see who knows what they are doing you up for it LOL ha :D:p

Better yet, why don't YOU wait until you have started your OWN dog on the track before you go around talking shit to other people. Yes you have some good pulling dogs but that is because you bought them already started from other people. lol

Stephanie

[bruce]

Better yet, why don't YOU wait until you have started your OWN dog on the track before you go around talking shit to other people. Yes you have some good pulling dogs but that is because you bought them already started from other people. lol

Stephanie

Better yet I thouht it would be good enough to take a dog you give up on and sent back to the breeder as a cull and make it one of the top pull dogs in the ADBA in less than a year JMO :D:D:D:D

[topgunpits]

i beleave when i got notch i had a dog that wouldnt even get up on the track an is this the same dog you couldnt get to pull just say in thats not sayin much for you as a trainer know what i mean lol

[topgunpits]

i dont think i have seen any real good pull dogs that you have trained an didnt the dog you had in march bang bang come from eddie trained i dont know for sure but look like your the one getin trained dog an you have been doin this longer then me an couldnt even get a good dog to pull

[NATE]

LMFAO now this is to funny cause nocth was pulling way before you got him he just quit YALL need to take a step back on this one before you get a shit storm started

[bruce]

I thouht this was a dead post a month ago, zero points didn't make him much of a puller

[the flea]

O.k. lets get this straight so everybody don't get confused.
1st Nacho had points on him in weight pulling before Andy got him back from my wife he took a 3rd in N.C. @ his first ever show. And just so you can get all your facts straight from here on out he was pulling the reason my wife got rid of him was because she wanted a dog that could be a Ch. in both weight pulling & conformation and Nacho is not that dog he is not square and she got really tied up in the horse barn & didn't have the time she wanted for him so Andy got him back.
2nd If im not mistaken Andy also put some time in training him so you did not start him.
3RD yes Bang Bang came from Eddie & yes Eddie started him but my wife got him only because he is her Double CH.PRINCESS TUTU's sire & was going to breed him back to her but after finding out of all the problems of late on heavy Bam Bam bred dogs she decided against that so that's that.
Oh yea Bruce you probably didn't find his points because when he took 3rd @ his first show he was still listed as Old Fort Kennel's A because my wife was going to check him out to see if he was what she was wanting .
Now that i have put the truth out hopefully this can stop the confusion.

[topgunpits]

all i know is when i got notch i had a dog that would quit an jump off the track an correct me if in wrong but geting one to stayin it an not get off the track is the bigest part of training a dog right the only other part is to get the dam thing to where the harness ok might not have started him but am the one that got him to pull.......:D

[topgunpits]

an i really dont care what ether one of you think cuz i dont think yall have a dog to beat him..:smiles:

[the flea]

Yes you do have him pulling i never said you didn't & me and my wife both have congratulated you on all of your winnings so there is no need to get your panties in a bunch and develop an attitude. All i am doing is clearing the air.
As far as beating him only time will tell.

[christySYK]

WHOA. You wanna call out Pulldawg Pits you're gonna have people on you like white on rice kid. You ASKED for opinions on this thread and you got em. If you weren't ready to hear things that you might not agree with then don't open your mouth next time. And no reason to get nasty with the people giving opinions, especially people that know what they're talking about lol

[topgunpits]

i asked a opinion on a breeding ok not about the dog she is talkin about

[bruce]

I think this thread has run its course and has gotten way off base. This shit is why this sport is dying a fast death, the ukc is pulling its weight pull for this very reason,the nkc is gone and the adba is getting smaller and smaller . I would think everybody would embrace new people getting into the sport, competition is good for any sport. But i have seen multiple posts of posters asking a question to be run off the thread with rude remarks , i thought this site was to educate? And no question is stupid if you learn something from it ,We can't all know everything, maybe we should all try to be a little nicer.!!! See ya'll at the pulls .

[the flea]

She was not referring to one dog in particular she was referring to most of your dogs because they were started by or Ch. by some one else and it looked liked you were talking trash as if you had done them all your self.

[bruce]

I think this thread has run its course and has gotten way off base. This shit is why this sport is dying a fast death, the ukc is pulling its weight pull for this very reason,the nkc is gone and the adba is getting smaller and smaller . I would think everybody would embrace new people getting into the sport, competition is good for any sport. But i have seen multiple posts of posters asking a question to be run off the thread with rude remarks , i thought this site was to educate? And no question is stupid if you learn something from it ,We can't all know everything, maybe we should all try to be a little nicer.!!! See ya'll at the pulls .

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[topgunpits]

i have never takein credit for switch hemi or lilly

[topgunpits]

She was not referring to one dog in particular she was referring to most of your dogs because they were started by or Ch. by some one else and it looked liked you were talking trash as if you had done them all your self.

well ok yall can say whatever cuz frankly i couldt care less what you an her say or think ok now im done talkin about it ok i guess i will have to be the biger person here an walk away :smiles:

[George Bailey]

Bruce, it's great that you and your son are trying to learn about the breed, but it takes more than a couple dogs or a couple of years to know what makes a dog a worthy specimen. We are trying to educate and mentor new people by asking them NOT to breed their dogs. The population explosion, poor stewardship, and bad media situation applies to all of us who love the breed.

George Bailey

[PullDawgPits]

LOL, methinks thou dost protest too much!

Ok, all I said was until you have started a dog (from a puppy) and trained that dog (by yourself) and then won titles, points etc. you should tone down the trash talking.

Just so you know the truth, from ME...

I sold Nacho back to Andy because he would NEVER be an ADBA conformation champion, he is not up to standard. I have said before and I will say again I like the COMPLETE dog. I want a dog to be conformation standard and a puller. That is what I wanted. I did all the pre work with Nacho, I started him on the track, I pulled him, I took him to his first show (where he placed). He NEVER came off the track with me.

As for Bang Bang, the ONLY reason you laid eyes on him at the GA show was because we stopped at Eddie's to pick up the track for the weight pull and I bought Bang Bang. I wasn't going to pull him but I ended up doing it just to see where his mind was. I bought him because I have loved that dog since he was born, that is why I have his daughter Tutu. Eddie always said if he sold him he would go to me.

Why haven't you seen my dogs? Cause I have one LOL! Double Ch. Falin's Princess Tutu. I got her at 6 weeks old, I trained her, I pulled her, she is all mine.

Here's what you don't know...my husband has been in these dogs for over 20 years, my husband has blood that you only dream about, my husband is close friends with people that you can only google. That is HIS thing. I love him and I love his dogs, I help take care of them, I help work them, but they are his. He asked me to get involved with him, for showing and weight pull. I wanted a puppy off of Bang Bang and I got her. She is AMAZING! I love her and she does a GREAT job at holding down my couch and playing with my kids. Depending on how busy I am with the farm this year, I might get to ACE her out this year (she isn't far from it) but I WILL NOT breed her. Why? Because she isn't correct. lol But that doesn't seem to matter to you.

I am so happy that you have done well with Nacho. I am so happy that you are proud of him. But that DOES NOT give you the right to talk trash constantly. You are NEW and inexperienced, IMO you are breeding unsound dogs. I have seen your type come and go many times, you hit it all gung ho and burn out just as quickly. I hope this is not the case, I hope you stick around and learn and then someday you will understand where my comments are coming from.

Stephanie

[ppits]

i want to add something. bang bang's head was messed up before steph got him and he hadnt pulled in over a year or been off the chain and was not sound when he was put up and y eddie put him on the shelf and he needed some more training and now he with ppl that dont understand just like anybody that is new to weight pulling it takes time to learn unless your dogs have alot of training and only time i seen notch jump track in 3 or 4 pulls before topgun got him was when weight was to much for him and he wasnt use to it and the best trainers can mess up a dog. but here is another thing all dogs have their days to say u have a consistent great dog you need to beat dogs that are top of class more then once and not saying anything bad. i had a great dog whose head was messed up got him right and he beat a dog named jedd and jedd had only lossed 1 time before and i beat him twice in same day did my dog do great yeah and i was proud of him did jedd have a bad day who knows we was talking about a rematch to see if my dog was right or not and then i lost him and we will never know and alot of guys been pulling a while had to learn on their own cuz not many people out there trying to help and i will say when i started going to apa pulls i started learning more cuz they willing to help anybody competition or not. and adba is dying cuz the adba is getting where clubs dont care about the weight pull and dont b surprised if ga doesnt go down now and so all the ppl that use to pull adba are in the apa now alot of ppl that ran adba clubs to have adba pulls in their state went apa cuz that where the competition is right now and when adba took out mwp that really hurt it and then put handicap on weight and redid classes so there is alot of reasons adba is dying and ukc more for people that just want to get another title on their dog but that a diff story and will prolly catch crap for that statement

but i will add notch has come a long way but it could be u put more time in him then anybody else did and some dogs take longer to mature so they might not look good earlier and then it clicks when they hit certain age dont make somebody bad trainer cuz it wouldnt pull at early age i have a dog i started early and she didnt look good put her up for 2 years and that dog dont knw what stop means and i have had dogs look good at early age and worse older age there is alot into a dog and competing genetics, training, maturity companionship amount of time spent with dog and when you start getting more younger dogs to start yourself you will experience all the headaches

and ppl that seen hemi before you guys got him could say you ruined him cause he not as good and that not fair to you cause he had his bond with his original owner and they knew each other and they trained him a certain way and i dont care who you are you cant duplicate or get from that dog what he gave from original owners so in saying this for notch to take to you like he did you spent alot of time with him and probably more then he got before and he was older and more mature so he understood more of what was expected from him he always had it in him just took time and alot of training

[OldfortKennels]

Well I was staying out of this, actually I had no idea all this was going on until today while Im at a gun show I get a text from some unknown number saying ..."All i can say is you know how to pick em".. Thats it, thats all I get. I have no clue who sent it or what it means and why am I getting it. Come to find out its Nate talking about this, so here I am.

Since we are being honest, lets be honest, personally I could care less but let the truth be known.


I sold Nacho back to Andy because he would NEVER be an ADBA conformation champion, he is not up to standard He NEVER came off the track with me.
This is NOT ENTIRELY true. You told us you did not want him because he would never be a pull dog, that he just could not focus. You said he would not stay on the track, he kept jumping off. Now he may not have done that in NC but thats what you said. You did mention the conformation as well but the reason you didnt want him was he would not pull. The reason I am certain about this is because my wife and I sat in the kitchen and debated on wheather I wanted to pay money to get this dog back if he was no use to me casue he would not pull. My wife and I discussed this long and hard and I remember plain as day telling her , "Well, do we believe in what we produced or not?" and I did, so I bought him back. And thats EXACTLY the way it went down, plain as a clear day.

I had that dog just a few weeks and Sean and them got him. I did very little with him other than take him to the NKC nationals two weeks after I got him, where bythe way, he took 3rd in his class. (fixed)

You say he has to beat the top dogs???? Lets see he won ADBA Nationals......He went to GA,,,,,,won his class and body pound both days,,,,,,went to FL,,,,and won both days ,,,,,,,just went to APA show where the #1 dog in his clas was,,,,beat him twice......seems like he is doing a good job, I thought 1st was a pretty good place to finish.............


Do some dogs have a bad day, sure but that does not matter, the only thing that matters is the day of the show. If they get beat, its not Notchs job to rematch them, he won, it the losing dog looking for the rematch. The winners dont go looking for the losers, the losers come looking for the winner. They are the ones with something to prove, not the other way around. Eddie said it best, #1 always has a bullseye on him.
You dont see the CH UFC fighter scheduling a rematch with the guys he whips, no its the guys he whips looking for the rematch.

[ppits]

well if i remember the nkc nationals your talking about notch took 3rd and it posted on this forumn already. cause a dog named Cena took 1st and won body pound and dog named sarge took 2nd and there was only 3 dogs in the class

and i remember you saying dogs have their days when one of my dogs u always beat smoked switch in my dogs last pull of his life

but this board is bout bragging and knowing most ppl arent at shows and c n first hand what going on and at the ga show some of the best 55 under dogs werent here so not always competition at shows and most ppl know what happened to the dog that won adba nationals at the apa nationals and it also depends on what state you go to and what states are at the shows and not saying any dogs in particular cause some of my dogs have gotten gravy points and been in gravy classes but any dog that will pull can when a class with no competition

[NATE]

what i dont get is why notch and bango weighed the same at GA and lighter than him at nats and he pulled in the 60lbs class and not against gary's dogs like i did today if he the best beat the best put up or shut thats the way i see
I could have went up a class but i go to a show to pull not to talk trash on the net and if recall andy wouldn't pull switch against bango and teardrop last year at GA

[topgunpits]

what i dont get is why notch and bango weighed the same at GA and lighter than him at nats and he pulled in the 60lbs class and not against gary's dogs like i did today if he the best beat the best put up or shut thats the way i see
I could have went up a class but i go to a show to pull not to talk trash on the net and if recall andy wouldn't pull switch against bango and teardrop last year at GA

notch was 53 lbs fat for winter it was a last minute thing to go he had not been off his chain since the fl show

[NATE]

Bango has been couch dog for the last three weeks and he fat muscle weighs more than fat so he is 49 try that some where else we been hear that excuse from andy for years and bango hasn't saw his harness since the GA didn't stop from pulling in the toughest class today anyone can make an excuse

[PullDawgPits]

Well I was staying out of this, actually I had no idea all this was going on until today while Im at a gun show I get a text from some unknown number saying ..."All i can say is you know how to pick em".. Thats it, thats all I get. I have no clue who sent it or what it means and why am I getting it. Come to find out its Nate talking about this, so here I am.

Since we are being honest, lets be honest, personally I could care less but let the truth be known.


This is NOT ENTIRELY true. You told us you did not want him because he would never be a pull dog, that he just could not focus. You said he would not stay on the track, he kept jumping off. Now he may not have done that in NC but thats what you said. You did mention the conformation as well but the reason you didnt want him was he would not pull. The reason I am certain about this is because my wife and I sat in the kitchen and debated on wheather I wanted to pay money to get this dog back if he was no use to me casue he would not pull. My wife and I discussed this long and hard and I remember plain as day telling her , "Well, do we believe in what we produced or not?" and I did, so I bought him back. And thats EXACTLY the way it went down, plain as a clear day.

I had that dog just a few weeks and Sean and them got him. I did very little with him other than take him to the NKC nationals two weeks after I got him, where bythe way, he won his class.

You say he has to beat the top dogs???? Lets see he won ADBA Nationals......He went to GA,,,,,,won his class and body pound both days,,,,,,went to FL,,,,and won both days ,,,,,,,just went to APA show where the #1 dog in his clas was,,,,beat him twice......seems like he is doing a good job, I thought 1st was a pretty good place to finish.............


Do some dogs have a bad day, sure but that does not matter, the only thing that matters is the day of the show. If they get beat, its not Notchs job to rematch them, he won, it the losing dog looking for the rematch. The winners dont go looking for the losers, the losers come looking for the winner. They are the ones with something to prove, not the other way around. Eddie said it best, #1 always has a bullseye on him.
You dont see the CH UFC fighter scheduling a rematch with the guys he whips, no its the guys he whips looking for the rematch.

I don't remember Nacho ever coming off the track. Staying on the track is not a hard thing to fix lol. If he had been correct I would have kept him. And I have NEVER in this thread said ANYTHING about them not putting work into Nacho, nor you. Kudos to both of you. I wasn't talking about Nacho, I simply told them they need to quit talking so much smack, they don't know what they are talking about. I think they were being very rude to people who gave their honest opinion about a QUESTION that they asked on a public forum. If you don't want to know, then don't ask.

Time will tell about Nacho, time will tell about them I hope they stay around.

On a side note, I really hope the GA club doesn't fall. I was really enjoying those shows. And I miss the NKC, talk about some competition! I guess we will have to start pulling with the APA, although I want to finish some dogs in the ADBA conformation too.

Too bad we don't have a decent club in TN anymore, I really wanted to have some pulls here. It is a great set up for it!:smiles:

Stephanie

[smith family kennels]

APA pull in Pikeville in March Steph :) Its not ADBA but its 2 pulls in one day. Still trying to pull Alabama club together too. Have to jump on the big man in charge of that here to get him going faster.

[topgunpits]

Bango has been couch dog for the last three weeks and he fat muscle weighs more than fat so he is 49 try that some where else we been hear that excuse from andy for years and bango hasn't saw his harness since the GA didn't stop from pulling in the toughest class today anyone can make an excuse

im not makein a excuse he won both shows at 53 but he pulls beter at 49

[PullDawgPits]

APA pull in Pikeville in March Steph :) Its not ADBA but its 2 pulls in one day. Still trying to pull Alabama club together too. Have to jump on the big man in charge of that here to get him going faster.

Now THAT is doable. lol Guess I better get Tutu off the couch. ;) She needs something to do.

Stephanie

[NATE]

im not makein a excuse he won both shows at 53 but he pulls beter at 49

hmm didn't the dog that took the class you should been in you BEAT notch in FL ?

[topgunpits]

no notch took 1st both days in fl an i think mark rashs dog sunny took bp at like 31 lbs i think

[NATE]

APA pull could you have beat gary's dogs there ?

[topgunpits]

what dog night train pulled 30-40 there is a hole class between them notch is a 49 50 lbs dog that was a lil heavy 50-60 that means thats the class he was suppose to be in he was 51 in fl an 49 in ga an nats

[smith family kennels]

what he means did you beat the dog on body pound. Now im going back to my hole. This crap is to childish for me. It helps to learn that its about the dogs not the my dogs better than your dog game.

And as far as the thread its about not breeding dogs until you've been doing this long enough to know what your doing in all aspects of breeding not just they make good weight pull dogs or show champions. There is so much more but Ive told you this already. Now im going back to viewing cause im not in this fight.

[topgunpits]

no he didnt get sunny for bp one sunny was 30 lbs notch was 51 there is a big diff there since the track shut down also make a diff. but no i doubt he would of got sunny for bp with sunny 30 an him 51

[OldfortKennels]

and i remember you saying dogs have their days when one of my dogs u always beat smoked switch in my dogs last pull of his life


You are ABSOLUTELY right but if you want jump me, ok. The day you beat Swtich what did I tell you, what have I always told you. You beat me fair and square, you took a dog that was quitting and made him work and I shook your hand and congradulated you. Did your dog have a good day, I dont know, we never got to have the rematch but it was ME looking for the rematch, not you, you beat me that day and thats all that mattered. All the times Switched smoked Piston didnt matter after the last pull cause on that day you beat me??? Thats a fact, it was my turn to go to the drawing board and make him better. Now you want to make it out like I didnt??? Dude I had, have incredibe respect for what you did with Piston, not only him but all your dogs now. You have some super tough dogs, I have never trashed you or your dogs. But hey you want to slam me, go ahead.

Your absolutely right James, I was wrong and I apologize for that, Notch did take 3rd, my mistake. I just went back and looked it up, should have done that first.

[OldfortKennels]

ON a side note, if I am being honest I should be honest and I think Sean overstepped the new to the game boundries by calling Steph out. Some things you just dont do. Good trainer/bad trainer some things dont matter and time in should get some respect no matter what. I think to much has been said by everyone on here, but lets not say some things in secret and others on the board, lets just say it all out in the open.

Sean another thing and Im sure you have seen it in the competitve world of racing, when you talk when you are winning you have be equally as strong when you lose. SOONER or later Notch will get beat. Maybe soon maybe not but when it happens, shake the hands of the owner that beat you, congratulate them on their dog and go home motivated to come back and win. Dont make excuses, dont trash the dog or trainers, its funny how all the ones talking about how bad the dog on top is, are the ones looking up.

if recall andy wouldn't pull switch against bango and teardrop last year at GA
NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!! You just put Bango in the same group as Teardrop,hysterical!! it sure wasn't Bango that made me decide anything one way or the other!!! Thats really good!! LOL man thanks, I needed that!!!!!

[topgunpits]

pull dawg i just wanted to say im sry i got a lil worked up there for a min and im sry

[smith family kennels]

lol if i remember right it was because their were 13 dogs in that class. Competition. Cause I was standing right beside you when you asked how many dogs were in that class. And I said to you straight out. Oh come on Andy you know you want to pull with all of us. And you said NOPE.

But anyways. ya'll are freakin nuts. I Can not figure out to the life of me why we are playing these games. This is not solving anything. And as for this little petty shit right here. We know ya'll dont like each other. Its oh so ovivious. Lets get over that shit cause in the long run it hurts the dogs.


And thats what most of this fighing and bickering is about. It hasnt been about the dogs. Its been about the egos. Its retarded and Im tired of it. I swear I will start putting people in time out at shows like children. Ok Sean you sit here and dont look over there. And Nate you sit here and dont look that way. And Andy you sit here and dont look over that way. Its simple. Dont touch each other, Don't SPEAK to each other, Hell Don't even LOOk at each other. Lets think about what the hell we are doing all this for. The DOGS.

The breed we are trying to save!!!! The breed that is freaking DOOMED because of bullshit like this!!! And a sport that is freakin no fun anymore because there is to much damn testostrome in the damn air and everybody gotta have their dicks swinging, there muscles bulging, and those over active egos. Honestly Who gives a shit!!! The owner makes the dog and if the dog can go win everything in the damn world but if the owner puts out a bad image nobody is going to want to deal with that owner or handler and that dog. You can say the number one dog always has a bulleye on its back and catches shit but in reality. I have liked and got along with the owners of number one dogs and never had a problem. The bullseye and the catching shit comes from a Bad Ego. Somebody that brags to much. Somebody that flashes it around. Somebody that thinks their shit doesnt stink and because they have a Awesome Dog that they are better than everybody else that is trying to do somethign for this breed too when in reality your just hurting the breed worse.

Get your head out of your asses. I dont mind getting beat. I do mind that the handler of that dog acts high and mighty for it. Your ass didnt pull that shit across the track Your dog did!!! and so did everyobdy elses dog there. I like the way some other people do it better. When the dog aces and takes all those wins. You dont find out about it until the gazette comes out of coarse unless your friends with the person but besides the point. The whole freakin south east hasnt heard about it from a cocky handler kind of view. They hear about it in rumors from others that watched the dog. Thats how it should be. Cocky bragging and flashing of what your dog has done Pisses people off plain and simple. Cause the other people that are winning arent in it to win they are in it for the dogs. Yeah sure winning is great. But in the end its about watching those dogs pull and be their best. Watching every dog Be its best. Your do is a winner if it strives to be its best and its owner is his best as well dont need a ribbon for that.

Today nobody is a winner. Cause even though their might be some winning dogs. We have some losing attuides. This isnt about the dogs. Its a pising contest thats what it is. And im threw with it. GROW UP. And Sean I know your still a Kid , a Teenager. We have all been teens before. On top of the world nothign can stop you. You want what you want and your going to get it. But son one day you will have to Grow up too. Everybody does.

Ok im done preaching now.

[OldfortKennels]

But anyways. ya'll are freakin nuts. I Can not figure out to the life of me why we are playing these games. This is not solving anything. And as for this little petty shit right here. We know ya'll dont like each other. Its oh so ovivious. Lets get over that shit cause in the long run it hurts the dogs.

True, this is exactly what the UKC told me was the reason the program is on probation because this was happeing at the shows. Apparently we arent the only ones but we aren't helping either.

This however has nothing to do with ego. I wasnt even aware of this situation until your husband sent me a text. Now when you say something to me, dont expect me to sit there and take it and not respond, especially to lies. But yess your right, this isnt helping so you leave me out of it and Im done, bring me back into it and I will come.

ahh screw it, we should delete the whole thread and forget about it! Let the dogs do the work and the talking.

[PullDawgPits]

pull dawg i just wanted to say im sry i got a lil worked up there for a min and im sry

It's all good, stick around you will find out that the good people are all about supporting each other and the dogs, not bickering back and forth.:smiles:

Look forward to pulling against you this year.

Stephanie

[sw_df27]

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side note hey steph you missed all the pics of my baby lately I deleted them I have missed you around here though email me sometime or something!!!!!

[Rock Creek Kennels]

the ukc is pulling its weight pull for this very reason,


The UKC is still having weight pulls. They put the All-star/jr. handler points programs on hold for 2011.




the nkc is gone

NKC is not gone, just on hold. We actually met and had discussions a couple weeks ago about possibly putting some pulls together. Nothing in concrete yet, just discussions.

[Rock Creek Kennels]

Also remember, a little s**t talking is fun. Just dont take it overboard.

Like I have said before, weight pulling is to have fun and spend time with & make new friends.

[PullDawgPits]

That is good news Willie. I would like to see the NKC pulls continue. Keep us posted!

Stephanie

[PullDawgPits]

BLAH BLAH BLAH


side note hey steph you missed all the pics of my baby lately I deleted them I have missed you around here though email me sometime or something!!!!!

ok, I will, cause I need to see that gorgeous girl!:smiles:

Stephanie

[smith family kennels]

Thats right Willie. Alittle before a pull among friends is normal but when you get down and deep with it. Start getting personal, start being rude about it. Then that is taking it overboard and thats steppping the lines. This did get out of hand and got off topic of the post at hand. And I had enough. It aint even into the season yet and we got some wanting to bite others heads off. Need to bring the sign that saids forget the pitbull beware of owner to the show in TN in case it gets alittle crazy. Might get a good pictures shot of two handlers dishing it out with fingers pointed face to face with two pitbulls on a leash by their side with the sign in the back ground lol. Ok im just goofying off now but thats what came to mind when you posted that last post.

[Rock Creek Kennels]

That is good news Willie. I would like to see the NKC pulls continue. Keep us posted!

Stephanie


I defiently will. Like I said just discussions right now but you have to "re-start" sommewhere.

From what ive heard, there are still some NKC pulls going on elsewhere.