Starting to introduce orijen adult

[infinity]

Ok for the ppl that use orijen what adult formula do you use or sugest. The original or the stuff in the blue bag. (fish)

[Peanutsmommy]

i use the green bag. i know the fish formula is free of EQ but i just dont like the smell of fish so i didnt want to give Peanut the fish formula even though i brush his teeth i didnt want that in my face :)
honestly, you can go with either. they are both safe and about equal just the fish formula has fish as the main source of protein. the regular is turkey (but has fish in it)

[ItsMe]

I use the regular green bag. I tried to think of if she would rather eat fish or meat. Meat won.

[Peanutsmommy]

I use the regular green bag. I tried to think of if she would rather eat fish or meat. Meat won.

hahaha that is great :)

[jeep lex]

try them both i dont use orijen but i had lexi on wellness core turkey/chicken and the ocean and aside form the smell peanuts mommy pointed out i like the ocean better both keep her coat shiney but because of lexis dry skin the ocean really keeps the flake situation at bay

[infinity]

i use the green bag. i know the fish formula is free of EQ but i just dont like the smell of fish so i didnt want to give Peanut the fish formula even though i brush his teeth i didnt want that in my face :)
honestly, you can go with either. they are both safe and about equal just the fish formula has fish as the main source of protein. the regular is turkey (but has fish in it)

Well i went and got adult formula but i noticed the green bags was seinor fomula for older dogs. The dark blue bag was adult and the light blue bag was the fish formula. Are you feeding seinor formula or am i just color blind lol?

[Peanutsmommy]

ummm i may be color blind lol
this is the one i use
http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/products/adult.aspx

[infinity]

Yeah you are lol. but i did notice this by looking there...

http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/products/regionalRed.aspx

Very intresting!

[Peanutsmommy]

lol told you i had to be the color blind one i always thought it was green lol
hmmm that is very interesting....i wonder if it is going to be rich like evo red meat??

[Dansgrizz]

hmmm isnt 38%-40%+ protein a little high? i mean you can feed your dog TOO much protein. I have heard 13-20% fat is optimal and staying around 30% protein is healthy. Is anyone afraid the prolonged exposure to high amounts of protein with out having a strict training regimen of working your dogs (very strict since its such high protein) will rot out there dogs guts? I dont mean to be argumentative or rude but i have heard that too high amount of protein can be a source of many intestinal problems and stomach issues. including ulcer type issues and other internal bleeding. Even smal amounts of the bleeding can harden stool and constipate your dogs. Before starting your dog on such a HIGH quality food i would consider IF your dog needs such high amounts of protein and fat in its diet. of course you can always feed less of it i suppose.... but perhaps then it will be missing other essential nutrients. As far as that regional red goes I've never seen dog food with pork in it and having two sources of pork in it's top 3 ingredients is alot. Is pork healthy for dogs?

[christySYK]

I don't feed Orijen, I feed TOTW High Prairie
BUT Orijen is a pretty high protien food. They do give option servings for active vs less active dogs. If you are working your dog pretty hard it good to have higher protien in the diet, I suppliment in salmon oil and raw egg on the weekends for the extra protien boost when I am going to be working them harder.

It does say on the analysis
"The protein and calcium content of this food is quite high for puppies and may be more suitable for adult dogs, particularly in the case of large breeds."

So I would say go ahead and start mixing it in with what you are feeding him now, but I would watch for signs of too much protien for the first month or so.

Pork is great for dogs
http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/the_pork_myth.htm
http://www.beowulfs.com/dog_food.html

[Dansgrizz]

Does anyone know about the ratios of fats to proteins to carbs? From my understanding carbs allow the glucose to move the protein in your body to the muscles the fat provide energy to do so. So if you don't have enough fat or carbs then the protein you give your dog won't be able to get utilized and will build up in the blood this build up causes nitrogen toxicity which is shown by an energy drop in your dog due to the lack if oxygen which also is essential in a healthy pup. So having a good ratio is far more important than how much you feed or what you feed. Another thing to watch for is moisture content many dog foods companies put higher moisture contents in there food and this can change your percentages one way or the other.

[Peanutsmommy]

the amount of protein isnt as important as the source of protein....here is a good read

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=protein_myth

[Dansgrizz]

That's a great article michelle. I'm still wondering though how much protein is too much? If the protein is high quality will it not be built up a simply pass through the dog? Is "meal" as a significant source of protein bad?
The reason I askis rabbit is an excellent source of protein but has such little fat, eating too many rabbits causes protoneosis(sp) protein poisoning. So at what point is the ratio of protein to fat too high?

[Peanutsmommy]

i think no its not a bad source as long as the meal is from quality (and known)protein source. here is basically what "meal" is...Chicken meal is a commonly-used ingredient in pet foods. It is defined by the AAFCO as "the dry rendered product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with accompanying bone, derived from whole carcasses of chicken thereof, exclusive of feathers and skin". Chicken meal is never suitable for human consumption as it is rendered.
now when you see "meat meal" that is when you have a very poor protein source because it can be literally anything including euthanized dogs and cats..no i am not making that up its true.
chicken meal, turkey meal is better then say by-product.

[jeep lex]

hmmm isnt 38%-40%+ protein a little high? i mean you can feed your dog TOO much protein. I have heard 13-20% fat is optimal and staying around 30% protein is healthy. Is anyone afraid the prolonged exposure to high amounts of protein with out having a strict training regimen of working your dogs (very strict since its such high protein) will rot out there dogs guts? I dont mean to be argumentative or rude but i have heard that too high amount of protein can be a source of many intestinal problems and stomach issues. including ulcer type issues and other internal bleeding. Even smal amounts of the bleeding can harden stool and constipate your dogs. Before starting your dog on such a HIGH quality food i would consider IF your dog needs such high amounts of protein and fat in its diet. of course you can always feed less of it i suppose.... but perhaps then it will be missing other essential nutrients.

This is why the guy who owns the feed store steered me away from evo and over to wellness core he said he used to pull his dogs and 42% protien is overkill even core's 34% is unlikely to be fully absorbed and as for those feeding guide lines there totally screwed the bag says feed 2 1/4 cups to a 50lb dog lexi is 47lbs and 1 1/2cups keeps her at a nice weight nowhere near conditioned but not fat either its all about your individual dog trial and error is the only way to figure out your dogs proper feeding amount all dogs are different and altered females metabolism slows when they get spayed so there are many things to take into account

[infinity]

What would the sighs of to much protein be. I mean how would you know your dog is getting to much. I read a while ago that unlike carbs unused protein gets passed threw the system while carbs turn to fat. They are both energy sources.



I have been feeding brian orijen puppy since he was 5 weeks old. And its very high in protein. But with all the vets check ups for puppy shots. Nothing neg was ever said about his development nutrion or health. Only good things.



Dr said every thing was fine growth rate normal. he said the dog was where he liked to see them that he couldn't see the ribs but could feel them. Yada yada.



Basically even though some ppl say to much protein is not good for puppies. I have been feeding the highest protein possible puppy food and have had no adverse effects. Unless its long term effects in that case it hasn't reared its ugly head yet.

[Dansgrizz]

Fatigue is the biggest sign of protein poisoning low quality protein or most dry nibble protein if not processed with large amounts of water will sit in the gut. In advanced stages blood in the stool stomach swell from blood in the abdominal cavity and extra hard stool from the blood drying in it. High protein is actualy great for puppies because they grow so fast. when you get into the later stages of a dogs life and its not being worked so much fat and protein is excess and excess is bad. be sure to put a good 1" or more of water in brians food when feeding high protein so hew can better process it, it wil be easier on his stomach.

[jeep lex]

What would the sighns of to much protien be. I mean how would you know your dog is getting to much. I read a while ago that unlike carbs unused protien gets passed thrue the system while carbs turn to fat. They are both energy sources.

I have been feeding brian orijen puppy since he was 5 weeks old. And its very high in protien. But with all the evets check ups for puppy shots. Nothing neg was ever said about his development nutrion or health. Only good things.

Dr said every thing was fine growth rate normal. he siad the dog was where he liked to see them that he couldnt see the ribs but could feel them. Yada yada.

Basicly even though some ppl say to much protien is not good for puppies. I have been feeding the highiest protien possable puppy food and have had no adverse efects. Unless its long term effects in that case it hasnt reared its ugly head yet.

very good question id like to know if im feeding to much protein i guess as long as its quality protein and your dog gets out of the house for exercise EVERY day there shouldnt be any problems processing protein i just read in another post on here that adding water to kibble to balance out the moisture to protein ratio like how raw meat is aids in proper processing of the protein

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lol i just saw dan add that little adding water factoid be4 i can finish my post dam you dan!!!!!!!!!