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George Bailey
09-24-2009, 03:34 AM
Most exercises in obedience end with the finish, where the dog moves from front position to heel position, with the exception of AKC's moving stand utility exercise, where the dog goes directly to heel position (without the front).

From the AKC rule booK (Novice, Section 10, Recall).
"On the judge's order, the handler will give a command or signal to finish. The dog must go smartly to heel position and sit. The manner in which the dog finishes will be optional, provided it is prompt and that the dog sits straight at heel."

There is only one finish in Novice and increasingly more in Open and Utility.

Teaching a dog to find and be comfortable in heel position is a very good discipline and one that we can tweak for the working career of an obedience dog. It requires many repetitions so it's best approached in a positive manner, with the least amount of physical manipulation or correction as possible. With an advanced dog, I ask them to show me and challenge them to get it right.

It is important to understand exactly where heel position is.
From the AKC Rule book, Regulations for Performance and Judging, Section 18. Heel Position:
"The heel position as defined in these regulations applies whether the dog is sitting, standing, lying down or moving at heel. The dog should be at the handler's left side straight in line with the direction the handler is facing. The area from the dog's head to shoulder is to be in line with the handler's left hip. The dog should be close to, but not crowding, its handler so that the handler has freedom of motion at all times."

Here are some tips to help you help your dog find heel position.
Dogs are not born knowing how to find heel position, we must teach them. They may get there one of two ways, going to the right of you and circling behind, or to your left. I prefer to teach both finishes so that I may choose one or the other depending on the circumstances.

For beginner dogs, you can use a chute for error free finishes. I generally use two broad jump boards out of which I make an "L", but I have also used two phone books for Cavalier KC Spaniels, two jumps, and a front and finish chute made out of pvc pipe (looks like a swastika and lays flat on the ground, is custom cut to fit each dog, with just enough room for them to sit comfortably). Here is a rough diagram of an L chute, the left hand side is not solid because I don't know how to make a solid vertical line:

Dog
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l Handler
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l
l
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l
Dog and handler are facing each other to start and the goal is to get the dog lined up on the handler's left side, facing in the same direction, so you only leave as much space as your dog requires.

For the left finish, the dog will step over the board and turn toward you to its right, making a "U'. It must go far enough back to be able to turn and come up straight. Many dogs like to do what's called a 'flip finish' and jump into it, very flashy but often difficult to achieve accuracy with. The most common problems with the left finish include the dog not getting its butt lined up, and in the case of a dog who jumps, bashing the handler or landing wrong. With SATS, we can use an extension target to the right hip.

For the right finish, the dog will step over the board and go to your right side and circle behind you, coming up into heel position. The most common problem with this finish being the dog gets distracted while it is behind you and loses attention.

With SATS, I teach the finish with verbal instruction and the two finger target, in increasing cycles, in other words, dog targets two steps in the proper direction, with its nose stuck on my fingers, then three, then four, etc. I turn with the dog rather than standing still, particularly on the right finish. I also sometimes use food or a toy to keep up speed, but not initially as I want the dog to be aware of what it's doing instead of following a physical motivator. I don't push for a sit until the dog has turning in either direction down pat, and will randomly throw a cookie or toy. On the left finish, I might throw a physical motivator straight behind me, and on the right finish, straight ahead, back over the front of the L chute, aborting the sit in both instances. Sit can be stifling, is final, and if they are not traveling in the proper direction, they may sit incorrectly, so I don't fold in the sit until the dog learns to line up.

I tried to draw a diagram of a front and finish chute but failed, it looks like two rectangles on opposite sides, connected in the middle a four way joint, l joints used on the outside corners. We have the dog sit and cut pvc pipe measured to fit each individual. Some people simply make one rectangle and place it in heel or front position. I used these a lot with the Pems, they had to work hard to get their rears in place.

Although I do many repetitions, I try to limit them to three to five in a row, and then repeat in another part of my training session. I want heads up attention and teach the dogs to move into a finish head up and on my target. It's best to either use a mirror, a glass walled building, or a training buddy to insure you are both lined up straight. The two finger target is easily faded into a fluid signal. Signals must be one fluid motion of the arm and/or hand, without moving the rest of your body. Verbal commands can be whatever you want, but must be brief. I use 'get back' for the left finish and 'go around' for the right. Beginner dogs need both signal and verbal instruction and when they are competent, you can fade one or the other. To keep it fun, or for freestyle, but not to be used in the obedience ring, you can do the finish with the dog going through your legs, have them back into it, or throw in a spin once in a while.

George Bailey

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 01:40 PM
Hmmmm got to chew on this awhile. Following the 2 finger target sounds easiest.

Didyou mean to say that you turn the whole distance with the dog as it moves in the direction you are asking for?

Nice points below:

*It requires many repetitions so it's best approached in a positive manner, with the least amount of physical manipulation or correction as possible. With an advanced dog, I ask them to show me and challenge them to get it right.

With SATS, we can use an extension target to the right hip.

*With SATS, I teach the finish with verbal instruction and the two finger target, in increasing cycles, in other words, dog targets two steps in the proper direction, with its nose stuck on my fingers, then three, then four, etc. I turn with the dog rather than standing still, particularly on the right finish.

*I also sometimes use food or a toy to keep up speed, but not initially as I want the dog to be aware of what it's doing instead of following a physical motivator. I don't push for a sit until the dog has turning in either direction down pat, and will randomly throw a cookie or toy. On the left finish, I might throw a physical motivator straight behind me, and on the right finish, straight ahead, back over the front of the L chute, aborting the sit in both instances. Sit can be stifling, is final, and if they are not traveling in the proper direction, they may sit incorrectly, so I don't fold in the sit until the dog learns to line up.

*Although I do many repetitions, I try to limit them to three to five in a row, and then repeat in another part of my training session. I want heads up attention and teach the dogs to move into a finish head up and on my target. It's best to either use a mirror, a glass walled building, or a training buddy to insure you are both lined up straight. The two finger target is easily faded into a fluid signal. Signals must be one fluid motion of the arm and/or hand, without moving the rest of your body. Verbal commands can be whatever you want, but must be brief.

*I use 'get back' for the left finish and 'go around' for the right. Beginner dogs need both signal and verbal instruction and when they are competent, you can fade one or the other.

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 01:43 PM
Thee wouldn't be any problem first noting what my dog's tendency might be would it?
I like the two different verbal cues too, I think this will help a lot when initially paired with the hand signal.

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 02:18 PM
Another question:
I just did heel with my dog altrenating asking her to come to one side then the other. Is that a good way to train for it, going back and forth from one side then next time ask for the opposite side?
If I don't want her to go all the way around me can I just ask for a left or right, the dog's left or right?

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 02:31 PM
Another question:
I just did heel with my dog altrenating asking her to come to one side then the other. Is that a good way to train for it, going back and forth from one side then next time ask for the opposite side?
If I don't want her to go all the way around me can I just ask for a left or right, the dog's left or right?

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 02:40 PM
It seemed to eliminate all unclarity when I simply asked my dog to go around to get to the side I wantted guiding her with a finger target and turning as she came around behind me.
First time I used an extension target (wooden drum stick, and she came right into position perfectly; second time, I didn't get such precision.
I'm a little worried about asking for a left or right, hers or mine.
I know that with SATS we try for flexibility so Julie would you advise me not to rely on teaching only one way or should I stick to one plan for this for my dog who has previously been taught to heel on my right?
Yes, I know what you mean about needing sighted feedback. Being blind I have to feel my dog to know what her position is. Somehow when she is perfectly aligned with me, it actualy feels energetically like all the coordinates are lined up properly.

George Bailey
09-24-2009, 05:41 PM
Hi Deidre,

No problem finding the dog's preference, they all do one finish better than the other, and shows you which one you need to work on. It's also necessary to stop them early on from making their own decisions on this.

With an advanced dog, try not to be predictable, but sure, okay to ask the dog for one and then the next, keeps it fun.

In speaking of finishes, I am asking the dog to go to my left or right. It would be confusing for me to ask the dog to go to its left or right, causing a hiccup in the rhythm of my training, but no reason you couldn't.

"Didyou mean to say that you turn the whole distance with the dog as it moves in the direction you are asking for?"
And here you caught me in a bit of an error--- I turn with the dog when it is going to my right and behind me, but not usually to the left, unless I'm trying to speed up a slow response on a trained dog, then I might turn left and touch tail, tap flank or butt, etc.

In your case, I would define 'heel' as being on the left, and 'guide' as dog being on the right, complete with equipment change (harness), and be very clear about this. When in guide mode, the dog is expected to check the environment, when in heel, attention should be on you. That doesn't mean she needs to always move in heel with a cranked up head, there are lots of dogs who are accurate who move checking their handler with a lower head position, and who focus on another part of their owner's body, but heeling is a rehearsed dance between dog and handler, while guide (or loose leash walk beside me heeling) is real life.

BTW, my goal for all of my dogs is for them to move (in heel) with impulsion and in a suspended trot, which I think you may have felt with George when you were here. It is artificial and takes some time to achieve, you won't see them do it on their own, outside of heeling in the ring and practice. I have heard people complain that it is bad for the dogs and that they end up with neck problems, something I've never experienced in years of training in this fashion. Pat Cook, who owned and trained the first OTCH of our breed, has dogs with the most beautiful, completely straight up and not cocked head position-- I love it and have never been able to achieve it to that degree.

There are plenty of sighted people who don't have a clue about when their dog is 'energetically like all the coordinates are lined up properly', so good on you! You remain one of the bravest people I've ever known. Your Indian name would be, 'Woman Who Walks With Bears'!!

George Bailey

chris mercer
09-24-2009, 10:40 PM
Man, what a bunch of hard work by both Julie and Deidre. Julie, very concise and Deidre like I've said before you push the envelope, I wish I had your courage. Chris Mercer

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 11:22 PM
I already edited this once but lost it. Let me try again.
So are you saying to make heeling on the left her new default unless otherwise specified? If I am clear and guide her and if necessary block her moving to the right she moves right into position. I know there is a smoother way I can handle it but I too need to get a feel for it.
We did great in class tonight - only the second one with this dog. She stood for stand as I moved far far away and only started to follow me first time around. She also was alittle something or other with the examiner. Second time, she was right on; she held the stand was examined, remained standing I retraced my way back to her and with minimal verbal help got around her and back in position at her side at which point she was still standing. Since this was the first time she did this with me at a distance and a person other than myself examining her, on the second try, to give her a clear understanding of what I wanted I told her "steady" which I assumed she would take to mean to stand up from a sit, stay in position - don't follow me, continue to stand and remain steady while being handled, stand and hold still til I return - most of this was trained seperately to start with. This was at least a 4 or 5 minute endeavor,not bad for a first try.
Her down stays and sit stays were also no problem at all. 5 minutes - no sweat. She always comes back to front on recall.
Someone told me that when heeling my dog she really liked it and was smiling. He said that she was both looking at me and also watching my feet. I'm sorry to say, I didn't feel that through the leash at all.
Heeling forward and turning round about went pretty well too though I don't always walk a straight line. Does anyone know of any cheap beeping toys I can use to sound my starting or finishing position?
The teacher did an intro for scent article work by planting a treat in a little box of sorts and putting a few other articles out like a mason jar lid, some kind of spaghetti tongs. Second time she put a treat in a garden glove. I wasn't happy with the food as a plant, but she got it just fine, even brought them back to me. This week we'll work on identifying spices and I'll bring a tea bag or spice packet to class next week. For one thing I don't want my dog "looking for food" for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that she is a guide dog and I don't ever want her picking up food off the ground when working. I don't want her picking up food anywhere off harness either, whether it be in the park or in my house, anywhere.
btw this dog, Louise, now grabs and holds on objects other than toys and holds til I tell her out. She's dead set on doing it that way. This was the shortest period of time it took to get that hold without having to build it up in increments which is what I did with my previous guide. We did build it up but in amere 4 or 5 sessions, and that followed the initial work in which she had to understand that yest indeed it was ok and what I wanted, for her to mouth whatever I presented and better yet, take it from me.
[QUOTE=George Bailey;19513]Hi Deidre,

DeidreM
09-24-2009, 11:28 PM
Funny, I think I'm kind of lazy to tell the truth. I'm a good investigator though and so what I don't see I find out one way or another. I'm smiling, don't worry, I'm not hiding in the bushes, besides, if I were, your hounds would certainly never mistake me for a coon. Think they'd even stop to check me out if they were hot on the trail of a coon?
Man, what a bunch of hard work by both Julie and Deidre. Julie, very concise and Deidre like I've said before you push the envelope, I wish I had your courage. Chris Mercer

George Bailey
09-25-2009, 12:10 AM
No, Deidre, guiding is her life and vocation, heeling can be her hobby.

When you walk around behind her, tell her first that you are going to do so and use the IB.

George Bailey

DeidreM
09-25-2009, 04:09 PM
She heeled to perfedtion on the left today. I went sighted guide and that person was on my right. I don't think there is any conflict in the least. I just need to either specify one side or the other or switch her to the left for her new default.