Once you go staff... Can you go back?

[Dansgrizz]

Here's a interesting topic I'd like to be discussed...

They say that amstaffs are strictly bred for show well that's simply not true their are alot of breeders who do obedience, rally, show, all sorts if activities to test there dogs, many if them testing harder than folks producing "APBT"'s.

So the question is once you OFFICIALLY go from being an APBT to an Amstaff, can you regain what you have lost? Ie... The drive, the gameness, etc...

Example : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=8494

turpins blu trouble.

Half staff half game bred APBT(nice pedigree on both sides I might add. This is a mix of the two but has not officially gone staff IMO. Many of the UKC dogs I see today have TOTALLY gone towards the staff standard and exhibit little drive and poor APBT conformation. So the question is open to whatever you want to make of it... Gimme your thoughts even if they are mildly off topic.

[smith family kennels]

lmao well its not really the time to ask for my opinion lol. Im stuck asking myself Laura which lines are you going to go with you have so many different ones its time to make up your mind. So right now im trying to point out the negatives of everyone to weight out which is worse. TNT is not looking so good on that list right now lol and sorry im way off topic

[BXPITS]

Turpin's Trouble was 3/4 Staff

tnt is almost completely amstaff now unless you give it an injection of gamedog blood!

[smith family kennels]

depends on how they are bred. You'd have to look at my yard to understand lol

[BXPITS]

i have seen some of what you got(and i like your dogs), i was referring to the other 95% of TNT owners/kennels. i have some 50% tnt dogs non are blue and people think they are straight Eli dogs because they are crazy lil dogs. the 5% of people that are doing the right thing with the tnts stuff are all working kennels, but let me tell you i have seen some tnt dogs that look like ambullies too.

back to the topic..... only way to reintroduce the traits back into amstaffs is illegal now so no you cant bring it back just by weightpulling, but maybe by boar hunting??

[PullDawgPits]

I say no you can't go back.

the best staffie will never be anywhere near a pure game bred apbt

Stephanie

[CASH]

Is there no amstaff that has apbt drive, gameness, or any of the other traits that make the apbt the dog that it is?

[smith family kennels]

its like nate said in another post unless you have owned a true game bred dog you will never understand. They are a totally different world and I can voulch for that.

[smith family kennels]

the blood on my yard is scattered I have a amstaffs, so and gos, and game bred. I have alittle from each world and they are all different as far as drive, willingness, attuide, everthing

[Dansgrizz]

its like nate said in another post unless you have owned a true game bred dog you will never understand. They are a totally different world and I can voulch for that.


Tacoma amstaffs.... Proven pit dogs. Which I don't understand!! From the pit, stayed in the pit.... Where's the amstaff come in?!

Laura what do you like best? Amstaff, show n go, or gamebred?

[smith family kennels]

outcrossed dan.

hmmm thats a hard one dan. I love my little amstaff female she is awesome when it comes to obiedence, agility and good tempered. My show and gos love to please and are fantastic little dogs but are alittle more sensitive when it comes pushing their limits. The game bred are more than I can handle sometimes but I love them they are all out intense. Its apples, oranges, and grapefruits dan lol. There is no comparsion for me they each have their own purpose.

[NATE]

its like this dan tai will hang for one and half hours off the ground and want let go of the rope for a tbone steak

that would be like asking you to get rid of one of your dogs who would go and why ?

[CASH]

???
so an smstaff cant be game or intence?

[smith family kennels]

they can but not the same cash like I said you could only understand if you have owned one. They are all different and have their own purpose. Different mind set. Different degree of drive. different degree of intense

[CASH]

OK. The ammstaff and the APBT are from simmilar decent but over the years have been breed for different purpose. Amstaff for show and the APBT for work, so in a scence they are different dogs. So no, they are not made to be game. Right?

[Dansgrizz]

its like this dan tai will hang for one and half hours off the ground and want let go of the rope for a tbone steak

that would be like asking you to get rid of one of your dogs who would go and why ?

it's not the same as asking to get rid of your dogs, I would think as a kennel of working dogs you could judge your stock appropriatly and determine what you need and what you don't. Doesn't mean you have to get ride of them. They would just be pets or what have you. I'm trying to judge the dogs for what they are here, dogs, not pets or family members. Just dogs....

[smith family kennels]

No amstaffs are not made to be game. If they were they wouldnt have chose the route of breeding over time to make them what they are today.

lol dan we are soft hearted over the years there have only been 2 dogs we have gotten rid of and one was a rescue that I never intended to keep. The rest have always stayed here until they passed over. As far as judging them for what they are we can definetly do that it just depends on what we plan to produce and what we are producing for.

[CASH]

OK... well then im satisfied.

[Dansgrizz]

No amstaffs are not made to be game. If they were they wouldnt have chose the route of breeding over time to make them what they are today.

lol dan we are soft hearted over the years there have only been 2 dogs we have gotten rid of and one was a rescue that I never intended to keep. The rest have always stayed here until they passed over. As far as judging them for what they are we can definetly do that it just depends on what we plan to produce and what we are producing for.


I'm sure you can I wasjist saying to Nate, evaluating your amstaff, against your show n go, against your game dog, then evaluating them against the piers is not asking you to get rid of them! I'd do the same as you, they are still good for something in my book. Going to shows is fun the more the merrier!! Lol

[smith family kennels]

lmao sometimes and sometimes the more you wanna pull your hair out. I love my dogs but they are giving me premature gray hair well my son might have alittle to do with that too

[BXPITS]

tacoma dogs are an amstaff bloodline now all they do is shows and they have been bred specifically for the show ring all except for a couple of breeders that have kept the line pure and game but overall they are amstaffs Dan.

i agree a true gamedog is far more intense than any show n go or amstaff dog i have ever owned or seen

[Dansgrizz]

tacoma dogs are an amstaff bloodline now all they do is shows and they have been bred specifically for the show ring all except for a couple of breeders that have kept the line pure and game but overall they are amstaffs Dan.

i agree a true gamedog is far more intense than any show n go or amstaff dog i have ever owned or seen


They were being called amstaffs back when the dogs were being rolled though, so how were they considered staffs?

[xgarrettxvx]

looks like this thread is pretty old, and i didn't read all the replies, but i'm going to throw in my opinion on the orginal question. I've never been around a full on gamebred apbt. My dog's line are watchdog(which has a lot of ruffian behind it) winegarner (based off watchdog) and some york dogs. So a lot of amstaff blood. He is incredibly drivey though. Prey drive out of this world. there was an incident once where fought two full grown bulls at once, was getting his ass kicked and would keep "scratching" if you will. haha. I know that doesn't prove gameness, but it proved to me he is tough as nails and just as relentless. Also isn't that turpin dog a 3x winner? that should say something. I'm sure you could get everything you want out of an apbt into an amstaff.