Bandogges!!!

[Dansgrizz]

These are cool.... www.chimerakennels.com performance bred bandogges. What is everyones thoughts on bandogges?

[Peanutsmommy]

they are pretty cool but too much dog for me. they are huge!

[Dansgrizz]

Yes but not sloppy at all. Very trim and strong in appearance.

[Peanutsmommy]

yeah they are nice looking but huge lol. i like my little guy 49# is good for me lol

[Leon]

Nice looking dogs. I don't think they are well suited for apartment life lol

[pitbullgirl]

I like them. Thought bout gettin one but you know how it is with DA dogs and all.;)

[redog]

I dont have any DA probs with mine. I dont think its part of their deal. now HA is a different story.

[redog]

Bob, hes a nice package

[infinity]

I feel stupid lol I dont even know what bandogges are.

[Peanutsmommy]

look at the link in dans first post. it is a pretty infomative site it will tell you about them infinity :)

[redog]

they're actually a mix breed but highly respected for the working ability, strength and stabilty.

[Dansgrizz]

Those are modeled after the the original swinford bandogges... I'm trying to find more info on them. Pete sparks owned a swinford at one time. If I wanted a guard dog I'd get a bandogge. I truely functional working dog. I love the look too. I'd have to bob n crop just to make his guard appearance more formidable. Anyone know any info on swinford himself?

[APBTMOMMY]

Nice looking dogs, But I think that I will stick with the APBT lol. :D

[redog]

Those are modeled after the the original swinford bandogges... I'm trying to find more info on them. Pete sparks owned a swinford at one time. If I wanted a guard dog I'd get a bandogge. I truely functional working dog. I love the look too. I'd have to bob n crop just to make his guard appearance more formidable. Anyone know any info on swinford himself?


Cane76 is the guy to ask. hes got pics of pete with his dog. circa 72?

[Dansgrizz]

yes I've seen the pics.... Very cool. Pete sparks looks like a character... Put some round black glasses on him and die his beard brown, call him redog LOL!!!! I was wondering if anyone knew the original formula or something close to it?

I'll be sure to ask next time I'm on gopitbull... ;)

[Dansgrizz]

awwww the original badogge bred by swinford was a male game bred APBT kellys bobtail buddy 2xW with an enlish mastiff bitch octavia. This created the famous bandogge Bantu. The swinfords were primarily game bred APBT crossed with English mastiff. It later progressed after his death into using Neo Mastiffs. I hope this helped.

[pitbullgirl]

Aww Redog Bob is a big boy. He's still cute though. I like his long face. :)

[christySYK]

Another breed bearing a rather misleading name, the Bandog is becoming increasingly popular worldwide. The name Bandogge was used in the past to describe any dog that was tied down, probably coming from a Saxon word "banda", meaning "chain". So, by definition, the Tibetan Do-Kyi could be considered a bandog. The bandogs of old were strictly working crossdogs of various sizes and usually coarse-haired hunters, fighters and property protectors without a strictly set type, developed from eastern shepherds and mastiffs crossed with western bullenbeissers and hounds, with a few local bloodlines eventually being established as specific types in some regions, such as Britain, Spain, Germany, Poland and elsewhere in Europe. One of the most famous bandogge programmes in England led to the establishment of a recognized breed, resulting in what is today the Bullmastiff. A great number of local bandogge strains have survived worldwide and these working crosses still exist under a variety of names, but the breed commonly accepted as the Bandogge today was developed in the 1960's by an American veterinarian John Swinford, who set out to create a property guardian dog superiour to all others. Another notable developer is Joe Lucero, whose American Bandogge Mastiff is seen by many as the ideal working breed and a perfect representative of what a true bandog should be. There are other bandog strains in existence under different names, but the Swinford and Lucero lines are the most famous and rightfully celebrated for their stable temperaments and outstanding working qualities.


The widely accepted recipe for an American Bandog is usually 50% American Pit Bull Terrier and 50% Neapolitan Mastiff, although some breeders use other mastiffs as well, like the English Mastiffs, Bullmastiffs, Cane Corsos, Rottweilers, Japanese Tosas, American Bulldogs, Brazilian Filas and so on, as well as English Bullterriers, American Staffordhires, Irish Staffies and others for the bull-n-terrier part of the equation. Interestingly enough, there are no known bandog programmes involving the use of Molossers such as the Central Asian Shepherd, Irish Wolfhound, Spanish Mastiff or any of the old terrier and hound breeds, all of which would be historically more correct than the modern "American cocktail", which relies on breeds which didn't even exist at the time bandogges "ruled" Europe. There is a number of modern Bandog breeds worldwide, such as the Australian Bandog, German Bandogge, Ambullneo Mastiff and others, but most fanciers associate the Bandogge name with the American Swinford Bandog breed and its recipe. As a rule, the father should be a game-bred bull-n-terrier breed and the mother should be a large mastiff-type dog. Many enthusiasts believe that a non-working bandog isn't really a Bandogge, since crossing two breeds together for any purpose other than protecton work doesn't automatically result in the creation of a bandog, but rather in an ordinary mutt. The Bandogge, be it the American or any other variety is strictly a working breed and should be a result of serious and dedicated planning, starting from careful selection of parent breeds and more importantly, appropriate representatives of those breeds, with the health and temperament testing being on the top of the list of priorities, while the uniformity in appearance is the last of the breeders' concerns.


The American Bandogge is a confident watchdog, more than capable of protecting its master and property. Muscular and massive, it can easily overpower an intruder, real or perceived. Depending on the traits inherited from its parent breeds, this can be a smart dog, very intuitive and trainable, but it may also be strong-willed, overly dominant and difficult to handle, especially if owned by inexperienced masters. A loving family dog, the Bandogge is very gentle with children and devoted to its owner, making a good urban companion and guardian. However, even though animal-aggression is an undesired trait, the Bandogge can be quite unfriendly towards other dogs, needing early and broad socialization and responsible handling and training. There is a variety of appearances and sizes, with some dogs looking like large Pit Bulls and others resembling smaller Bullmastiffs, but all Bandogges must be agile, strong and powerful. The ears can be cropped and the tail is sometimes docked, although unaltered examples are common. The coat is short and smooth, commonly seen in shades of blue, grey, red, fawn, black and brindle. White markings are acceptable. The average height is around 27 inches, but much smaller, as well as taller dogs exist.

http://www.hundeguiden.no/Hunderasene_Molosser/The_2st_Group/bandogge__bandog.htm

[christySYK]

Another GREAT read on Bandogges, past, present, and future of the breed

http://bandogmastiffs.blogspot.com/2007/09/bandog-from-wikipedia.html

[Dansgrizz]

Crossing a breed for anything but work just creates an ordinary mutt.... Good read thanks for clarifying! If it ain't worked or tested then it ain't a bandogge christy.

[Leon]

So you are saying, that what you do with them that makes them a bandogge? Then why cant other dog breeds that have been worked and tested be called bandogges?

[Dansgrizz]

Bandogge is a cross between a mollosser and a mastino bully breed and a mastiff... Bred for working purposes!! If you have two strong working dogs that are used n tested in their work and you cross them you have a bandogge! If you cross three random dogs two of them being HA and one DA and only have 1 to 2 generations of breeding I wouldn't call it a bandogge personally. Especially if it's not geared towards working!!

[christySYK]

I see it as its a guardian dog, if its your guard dog AND it happens to be that a mix of a guardian breed with a working breed, it can be termed a bandogge. Its really just a fancy way of saying ''mutt that watches my back'' lol.
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[Dansgrizz]

I see it as its a guardian dog, if its your guard dog AND it happens to be that a mix of a guardian breed with a working breed, it can be termed a bandogge. Its really just a fancy way of saying ''mutt that watches my back'' lol.
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What registries were the dam n sire registered with for your pup? Or there dam n sires?

[christySYK]

Since mom is a mutt already she wasn't registered, she is the Bull mastiff/Pit cross.
Dad is registered with the ICCF/CCAA and now the UKC since they have recently allowed in Cane Corso's.

[Dansgrizz]

What registry was the moms dam N sire?

[christySYK]

I know the sire was UKC registered the dam was not, but its not that important to me personally since he is a protection dog for myself. I would have gone to the humane society if they had had a suitable cross. That is where Tank came from, long as he keeps people out thats all I need. Big Rig will get the basic obedience of any other dog, with just a stronger focus on recall and settle commands. Prob do some weight pull with him for his benefit and to work some of that energy off :)

Bandog/bandogge is just a term. Its not a breed of dog. So there really is no standard. There are preferences on how the dogs should be worked or used. But nothing set in stone. Just means a guard dog on a chain pretty much.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bandog
"ban⋅dog
  /ˈbænˌdɔg, -ˌdɒg/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ban-dawg, -dog] Show IPA
–noun
any dog, as a mastiff or bloodhound, kept tied or chained.
Origin:
1250–1300; ME band-dogge. "

[Dansgrizz]

sweet... im more into the swinford bandogges they strive for a consistant bandogge and a little something more than throwing some dogs together and see what happens. if it aint bred to work it aint a bandogge. is yours going to be nuetered?
as for bandogge not being a breed and only being a definition i dont thinkthats true at all. Have you rea the information you posted for us? There australian bandogges, american bandogges, german bandogges.... all with a different recipe trying to achieve different results.

[christySYK]

Yeah the breeds are getting there, but theres still no real registry for it though I did hear there was was in the works. It'll be interesting to see how the 'breed' progresses in the future, but its so diverse right now that it would be hard to really put a standard in place, but we'll see, it will be fun to keep an eye on.

Yeap he will be neutered once he hits the general maturity mark.

[Dansgrizz]

a registry like the SSDA? Swinford Sporting Dog Association? they dont call there dogs bandogs anymore though they like the term swinford more. I guess when you strive so hard to create something so good you dont want to be mixed in with the rifraf